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berockly (TTG)

Racism being invented is such a funny sentence

it is funny but it's literally true--the first recorded instance of "white people" and "black people" in history is in a letter that some bishop wrote to reassure that crusading knights were still going to heaven

kaybee

i'm in the camp of normalizing calling them "girlfriend/boyfriend/partner" :3c

now this is the kind of positivity

i would call my tenants housemates to make it seem like i treat them equally

@KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk - jump petty bougie wordplay! Bah! To the firing wall with you

i don't know how to finish the sentence so that's it

kaybee

i'm in the camp of normalizing calling them "girlfriend/boyfriend/partner" :3c

that would suggest all headmates have romantic relationship in my head noone is interested romantically with each other

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blanka

it is funny but it's literally true--the first recorded instance of "white people" and "black people" in history is in a letter that some bishop wrote to reassure that crusading knights were still going to heaven

Racism happened long before then tho

aapeli 🟣🥫🥔 ae

twix doing capitalism with a human face

doing my best

Though, the crusads were a war fought over theology, not ecomomics. Boy howdy, was it not done for economics lol.

kaybee

i'm in the camp of normalizing calling them "girlfriend/boyfriend/partner" :3c

reminds me of a friend who MIGHT BE READING THIS RIGHT NOW ahem

some finnish workers started protesting for worker's rights in the US around the minnesota area i think, and they quickly started labeling them "not white" and started putting them in some asian category

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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk

that would suggest all headmates have romantic relationship in my head noone is interested romantically with each other

Maybe your just denying it /ser

10:22 PM

/sar

Ulithium_Dragon | Maledy | Freya

Though, the crusads were a war fought over theology, not ecomomics. Boy howdy, was it not done for economics lol.

It was explicitly fought for economic reasons.

berockly (TTG)

Maybe your just denying it /ser

stop saying serious sarcasm

KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk

that would suggest all headmates have romantic relationship in my head noone is interested romantically with each other

i'm not saying it should be the default, just a little more common to admit and also as a half-joke

KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk

stop saying serious sarcasm

But its seriiously sarcastic

I have the article now

berockly (TTG)

Racism happened long before then tho

Perhaps, but it is widely credited as the invention of the modern cultural institution--racism as personal prejudice may have happened before then, but history says it was more nationalism, not racism that defined tribal biases

kaybee

i'm not saying it should be the default, just a little more common to admit and also as a half-joke

My tulpa left me

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berockly (TTG)

My tulpa left me

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should jave enlarged that room

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KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk

that would suggest all headmates have romantic relationship in my head noone is interested romantically with each other

does everyone in your family call your partner 'my partner'? no, terms are relative to where you are in the family

KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk

should jave enlarged that room

Idk it may have been the bethroom

aapeli 🟣🥫🥔 ae

some finnish workers started protesting for worker's rights in the US around the minnesota area i think, and they quickly started labeling them "not white" and started putting them in some asian category

whiteness is a culturally defined and historically changing thing, this is true

blanka

It was explicitly fought for economic reasons.

Hmm. No you're right. But it ended with huge ecconomic losses,. and continued despite those losses. Though I suppse that probably had more to do with a sunk cost falicy than with the intention to continue despite the losses for some other reasons. Yeah I guess you are right, most conflict came from economics. I mean I knew that a lot did, but not that I'm sitting here thinking about famous battles and wars I'm having trouble comming up with any examples that weren't economically focused. (edited)

10:25 PM

Interesting

Ulithium_Dragon | Maledy | Freya

Hmm. No you're right. But it ended with huge ecconomic losses,. and continued despite those losses. Though I suppse that probably had more to do with a sunk cost falicy than with the intention to continue despite the losses for some other reasons. Yeah I guess you are right, most conflict came from economics. I mean I knew that a lot did, but not that I'm sitting here thinking about famous battles and wars I'm having trouble comming up with any examples that weren't economically focused. (edited)

don't forget politics of the past

10:26 PM

not just money, but also power

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sh

don't forget politics of the past

True but more power leads to more money

Why politics in tulpa chennel?

And was often the motivation behind expansion

well, aren't you just dangerously correct today?

Because like our tulpas, conversattions also grow and change over time :P

10:27 PM

But you right lol

berockly (TTG)

Why politics in tulpa chennel?

this is a direct continuation of the discussion on the origins and current usage of the word tulpa

berockly (TTG)

Why politics in tulpa chennel?

destin, is that you?

10:27 PM

history is the study of the politics of the past so it's hard to say if that counts

blanka

this is a direct continuation of the discussion on the origins and current usage of the word tulpa

Oh okay was just curious

I'm gonna bow out, but I really enjoyed the debates. I dont often get to have intellectual debates anymore. A good healthy mental sparing can be very insightful in altering personal beliefs and thinking about things from multiple perspectives.~

this was shockingly level-headed, I agree

10:29 PM

I'm happy to have discussed this with you all

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As .info tends to be

Tewi: When it's about tulpas, yes. (edited)

10:35 PM

When it's about random drama that isn't worth the time of day though, strap in for war

10:35 PM

(We have been trying our best to prevent and limit such things, though)

Idk, this server is fantastic at not starting drama and having civil discussion

10:38 PM

To be fair tho, there isnt a lot of discussion

imm still interested to hear what word @A long kiss goodnight will ise to refer to tulpamancy practice (edited)

Comate

10:40 PM

Cocreation = tulpamancy

10:40 PM

Or comancy if you like -mancy

Cocreation just sounds

pls no mancy (edited)

Inappropriate

Cocreator = tulpamancer

i was thinking of comancer

I did mention it sounded like a sex thing (edited)

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Reguile

I did mention it sounded like a sex thing (edited)

like procreator?

If you say it fast enough it sounds like comet not that! >:/

as opposed to noobcreator (edited)

might i suggest polyception/polycreation/polymancy?

Imagine instead of telling your parents "i do tulpamancy"

10:41 PM

You go

10:41 PM

"I cocreate"

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omg

"are you in your room cocreating again???"

I do cocreation

i cocreate with my comate (edited)

10:42 PM

concrete

10:42 PM

~~You do know some people do cocreate with their tulpas~~ (edited)

A long kiss goodnight

It was directly stated in the proquest article I read. I can get you the link if you want

I saw two areas where this conclusion could be drawn, but if I missed which one you meant, please point it out. First was this part, when it was describing how she traveled disguiesed as a man and an arjopa:

Besides her disguise as an arjopa and her self-transformation, she also adopted what is conventionally considered a masculine persona without taking up masculine disguise: she carried a revolver to fend off bandits and had an authoritarian way in her dealings not only with servants but with all people (Kasevich 16, 20).

(p. 158, para. 4) The other part is here (all of this and the rest is page 164):

We cannot ignore David-Néel’s tone of cultural superiority when she explains that although Yongden was profoundly religious, “**he smiles at the childish credulity of his unlettered compatriots**” (101–02). On another occasion, when he was asked to perform rituals or tell the villagers’ fortunes, David-Néel comments: “**Seated on the ground, I watched with amusement the various per- formances in which lama and believers played their parts**” (My Journey 61). This ridiculing tone establishes a hierarchy, signaling a failure to represent the different as equal.

I put the quotes in bold, as you can read the author's conclusions based on those quotes. (edited)

10:42 PM

It gets harder when they start to make some of the following accusations, beacuse they're not citing anything with these:

David-Néel seems to have taken particular pleasure in deceiving the Tibetans into believing that she was a Tibetan arjopa.

But doesn't attribute a quote to her based on that to support it. It mentions (and cites a source for)

David-Néel went to Tibet to conduct research on Tibetan culture and to study Buddhism

But then goes on to say

She did embrace Tibet as her spiritual home, but seemed to treat Tibetans, with the exception of certain yogis and lamas, as objects of ethnographic study rather than equal subjects. Can one merely inhabit a space and call it home without an attitude of sharing and understanding, the very tools which create community?

without citing any sources. (it then goes on to say:

And yet David-Néel considered herself more Asian than European, which leads one to imagine that she had more affinity with the former (My Journey 61).

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berockly (TTG)

"I cocreate"

tbf it moght make your parents react better than to tulpamancy

Live Action Character Creation

I dont see any issue with current terminology tbh

yeah, i think at this point if most singlets know much about "tulpamancy" at all they would most likely know about the people a decade ago explicitly making pony tulpas and such

okay all these words are too vague... creation? too vague... so we need a specific word that describes exactly what it is... well, it's a person in your head that you share your head with... a head friend... like a roommate/flatmate in the head... a headmate? what about the general practice... well it's multiple people... multiplicity? plurality?

which is valid, all things considered

10:45 PM

but carries some very specific connotations

Pleeb

I saw two areas where this conclusion could be drawn, but if I missed which one you meant, please point it out. First was this part, when it was describing how she traveled disguiesed as a man and an arjopa:

Besides her disguise as an arjopa and her self-transformation, she also adopted what is conventionally considered a masculine persona without taking up masculine disguise: she carried a revolver to fend off bandits and had an authoritarian way in her dealings not only with servants but with all people (Kasevich 16, 20).

(p. 158, para. 4) The other part is here (all of this and the rest is page 164):

We cannot ignore David-Néel’s tone of cultural superiority when she explains that although Yongden was profoundly religious, “**he smiles at the childish credulity of his unlettered compatriots**” (101–02). On another occasion, when he was asked to perform rituals or tell the villagers’ fortunes, David-Néel comments: “**Seated on the ground, I watched with amusement the various per- formances in which lama and believers played their parts**” (My Journey 61). This ridiculing tone establishes a hierarchy, signaling a failure to represent the different as equal.

I put the quotes in bold, as you can read the author's conclusions based on those quotes. (edited)

Yes to all of it, but the second point I think makes the most sense. In my head I was thinking about that second to last quote, but as you said it's not backed up with a citation

sh

okay all these words are too vague... creation? too vague... so we need a specific word that describes exactly what it is... well, it's a person in your head that you share your head with... a head friend... like a roommate/flatmate in the head... a headmate? what about the general practice... well it's multiple people... multiplicity? plurality?

the current branch of "tulpamancy" is only a facet of plurality though, so it's like saying "oh we need a new word for station wagons, what if we just call them 'cars'?"

10:47 PM

how does the server feel about willogenic?

what is that

i personally do not want to be compared to a station wagon tyvm

10:47 PM

therefore i hate this idea!

kaybee

how does the server feel about willogenic?

~~it sounds like it was made by a tumblr user who wanted a fancier way to put willow into their bio~~ (could be worse though) (edited)

The suffix "genic" makes whatever you put in front of it seem like an illness

We shouldnt call them anything

kaybee

the current branch of "tulpamancy" is only a facet of plurality though, so it's like saying "oh we need a new word for station wagons, what if we just call them 'cars'?"

i think 'estate' would be a good term for it /j

We should just

10:48 PM

Tulpamancy

Drake (DustyAngel47)

~~it sounds like it was made by a tumblr user who wanted a fancier way to put willow into their bio~~ (could be worse though) (edited)

I think it unironically was

what about thoughtform or parogenic

we have endogenic in our bio but honestly that's more to sus out sysmed weirdos more than anything

Demonmancy

I don't like -genic because it's tied to sysmeds trying to invalidate non-traumatic plurality This guy did a write up on it- https://lb-lee.dreamwidth.org/1120824.html

kaybee

how does the server feel about willogenic?

i avoid the -genic terms and all the emotions people pour into those like a cactus with a happy face drawn on it

berockly (TTG)

Demonmancy

Daemonism is already a thing

what is the difference between daemon and demon

Daemonism is already a thing

@Reguile - jump Indeed!